YouTube exec: We're heading for 'third wave' of TV
February 1st, 2012
10:27 AM ET

YouTube exec: We're heading for 'third wave' of TV

By Mark Milian, CNN

Laguna Niguel, California (CNN) – In YouTube's vision of the future, television will look a little like video games.

According to Google video head Salar Kamangar, connected TV will usher in an era of programming that will allow viewers to interact with content on their screen. He discussed his thoughts on where video entertainment is headed Tuesday at News Corp.'s D: Dive Into Media conference here.

The changes will constitute TV's "third wave," in which smaller groups of people gravitate toward thousands of niche channels, Kamangar said. The first wave refers to broadcast networks (few options, huge audiences), and the second to cable channels (hundreds of options, each with smaller audiences).

"We want YouTube to be the platform of these next generation of channels," Kamangar said.

TV programs should have "gamification" components, meaning viewers will be rewarded for participating like in a video game, Kamangar said. Shows should be shaped by feedback from viewers left as comments, he said. (Good luck making sense out of many of the comments posted below YouTube videos.)

For example, a show's ending should be shaped by fan input, Kamangar said. Will Wright, the video-game designer who created "The Sims" and "SimCity," has done some of this sort of experimentation for his show "Bar Karma" on second-wave network Current TV.

Sports provides some particularly interesting scenarios for exploiting third-wave technologies. During a football game, viewers could choose which helmet camera they want to watch from, Kamangar said. Friends could sit their avatars next to each other in the stadium, he said.

They even could vote, along with everyone else in the virtual stadium, on which play the quarterback should run, he added.

"This is possible over IP," Kamangar said, using a technical term to describe the Internet. "It's not possible (yet), but it will be possible."

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      What?

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        He was referring to Youtube's tolerance of users creating hate-based channels to espouse racism, among other things.

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      February 4, 2012 at 6:02 am | Reply
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      February 4, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Reply
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      February 4, 2012 at 12:14 am | Reply
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    There used to be interactive movies at the theater. I hated them because I never got to see the movie _I_ wanted to see.

    February 3, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Reply
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    February 3, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Reply
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    This is just a bad idea. I can see the appeal if it were implemented into virtual reality but Sam said it best- People don't want to work at watching television. You just want to kick back and be entertained. I personally don't watch football but if I did, I would want to be surprised by a play. And any tv show that would let you determine the outcome wouldn't be worth watching to begin with. The interesting shows to watch have been thought out and already have a direction. As for just using the internet for watching tv shows and movies, I have done that and I miss cable. The internet still has a ways to go before it can replace cable. I absolutely can't stand having to wait for a show to queue up before I can watch it.

    February 3, 2012 at 10:09 am | Reply
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    February 2, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Reply
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      February 2, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Reply
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    February 2, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Reply
  55. Rick

    Bad enough I have to deal with commercials (I know they pay the bills so I can deal with them), but YouTube is a cluster f*** of a mess and they are the last place I would go for content.

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    February 2, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Reply
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      February 2, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Reply
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        February 3, 2012 at 8:53 am |
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        February 3, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
  56. Bob

    This is a naive idea that geeks often have. I was at the MIT media lab in the 1980's and we thought of the same thing. Interactive TV! Back then the idea was joysticks every viewer would have, and as they'd watch a murder mystery, for example, the audience could instantly vote whether to ask person A a question, or find person B, etc. Then the (then) laser disc player would quickly continue the storyline based on what they voted. Oops, turns out people just want to sit back and be entertained, they don't want to have to make decisions. As others have already noted above.

    February 2, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Reply
    • 80sAreNot2010s

      The problem with that study is it was done in the 80s, most gamers were 5 to 10 years old then. The gaming crowd is now the dominant entertainment consumer. Cliff notes, that's not a valid study any more.

      February 2, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Reply
  57. C. Smythe

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    February 2, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Reply
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  59. WDE2010

    The last thing I want to see on my TV screen are prompts to vote every 60 seconds, poll results flashing in the corner, viewer comments scrolling across the bottom of the screen continuously, or any other distracting nonsense. The ubiquitous animated channel logos and pop-up ads for what's "coming up next" are already way too intrusive. I don't watch a lot of TV, but when I do I want to relax and concentrate on the show, not be assaulted by visual clutter and sensory overload.

    February 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Reply
    • nothanksimdriving123

      WDE, I completely agree. It seems like a channel distracting us with such clutter is like them saying, yeah, we think this show sucks but if you stay tuned we'll show something better soon.

      February 2, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Reply
    • Steve R

      I totally agree too, the channel logo, and the SERIOUSLY ANNOYING ANIMATED COMMERCIALS that popup on my screen while I'm watching shows are way too annoying. I just want to watch the show.

      February 2, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Reply
      • Radha

        1milkwheat on August 4, 2011 i have one rmotee that dont work hense why im here idiot i dont have another rmotee

        February 22, 2012 at 3:28 am |
  60. canamac86

    I like that this only applies to THIRD WAVE. It suggests that things won't change with the current programming, only the new third wave. If fans are generating input instead of the creative minds behind the programming it will result in fewer creative minds needed and would result in a cheaper medium. I think it could work because it wouldn't steal very many resources from the first two waves.

    February 2, 2012 at 12:12 pm | Reply
    • Mona

      Posted on Thanks guys. For some reason I just got the e-mail on these ctnemmos so Sawyer, I hope you did play it for your wife on V-Day and I hope it accomplished whatever your goals were at the time.

      March 19, 2012 at 10:10 pm | Reply
  61. Steve

    "For example, a show's ending should be shaped by fan input, Kamangar said. "

    LOL, this statement is made by someone who obviously isnt creative and would just like a show that is written by a group of fans (forget things like long term story line, continuity or logical character development) so that , like most people today, he wont have to put in much effort and can get other people to willingly work for free.

    Then again, considering the span of attention nowadays maybe long term storyline and actual character development would be passe as we are only looking to keep our brain busy, not really enjoy what we are watching or doing. Show of hands, how many just absently minded turn on a game or show when not otherwise occupied and just tune out, even though you are watching/doing something....lots I bet. Considering the instances of accidents involving those with earbuds in just walking out into traffic are up considerably (see article, CNN within last few days), I would have to say there are a vast majority that just arent present in their own life half the time.

    The continued dumbing-down of Uhmerka. I can just see tv in our near future, just like Idiocracy...Ow, My Balls!!!, and "go away! 'Batin!!"

    What a joke.

    February 2, 2012 at 12:02 pm | Reply
  62. Marc

    A qb will only listen to his coach(es) whether a virtual stadium agrees or not. Voting on plays should be all in fun. I doubt it will happen.... However, we should not base our decision on books about people dreaming of futuristic things having bad endings. After all Jules Verne predicted trips to the moon, under the sea, around the world in 80 days...all perceived as ludicrous in the 19th century but taken for granted in the 21st.

    February 2, 2012 at 10:11 am | Reply
  63. kz

    This is retarded..You used to read books from people dreaming futuristic things like this, but something bad always happens. Like robots backfiring and taking over.. Technology has gone too far.

    February 2, 2012 at 8:27 am | Reply
  64. tony

    I agree with a lot of the pushback on his ideas. A majority of the comments on YouTube videos are either profanity-laden insults or just nonsense.

    February 2, 2012 at 8:11 am | Reply
    • Kayoko

      cldranlaad on September 4, 2011 I love when moms figure out ways to work from home. Kudos to her. Her products are adorable and unique! Love them!

      February 19, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Reply
    • Kelsie

      kulk4471 on April 24, 2009 yes beaucse they use dollars all over europe dont they? If your going to talk about europe use the right currency at least

      February 21, 2012 at 11:39 pm | Reply
      • Shaikh

        Posted on Anika, you bring up a point that I meant to include there and kind of foogrt to: Padme is the best contribution to Star Wars that the prequels made. She is a fabulous character that doesn't get enough to do.Jennifer, if you like prequel-era Obi-wan, you should read Matt Stover's Episode III novelization. In fact, all three of the prequel novelizations are probably worthwhile, and contribute a bit to my general like of the films. Terry Brooks' Episode I goes much darker and less campier than its counterpart, and Stover's Revenge of the Sith is an excellent sci-fi/fantasy novel, not just an excellent film adaptation (R. A. Salvatore's paint-by-numbers Episode II novel isn't anything special, but it makes the romance a bit more palatable, in my opinion).Dan: UR BR8KNG MAI <3

        September 25, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
  65. ldawg

    I can see this happening....FB will revolutionize life as we know it...when it gets on the market and starts the beginning of a minority report/artificial intelligence type of word where personal info is owned and used by companies to bring you personal ads-anywhere...in order to reach these points the internet may have to become completely free of charge and available anywhere which will also probably happen once everyone( tele companies) upgrades there existing network infastructure( also creating jobs) to 4g and beyond to the most effcient network technology... ALSO JUST BECAUSE U CAN VOTE ON PLAYS ON SCREEN DOES NOT MEAN THE QUARTERBACK HAS TO RUN THAT PLAY. IT COULD BE AN ADDED FEATURE, SOMETHING LIKE A GAME FOR VIEWERS THAT WIN PRIZES FOR CALLING THE MOST PLAYS RIGHT....MY GOD HUMANS HAVE BECOME SO CLOSED MINDED-NO WONDER WE AS A PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN ALMOST TO A BREAKING POINT

    February 1, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Reply
    • Duygu

      That's how I feel Wendy! If smnooee doesn't think that spending time to watch it, it's their loss not mine.. I'm already using the strategy so I'm not missing out on anything

      February 19, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Reply
      • Martin

        illustriouschin on April 14, 2011 I have Dish Network and I am not able to view any HD content bceause my standard definition Dish DVR is not even capable of displaying it. I would have to upgrade the box for how ever much money, plus however much per month for the HD channels.

        August 19, 2012 at 7:04 am |
    • Tonya

      wrgraidl22 on March 16, 2011 @Creolebway -continued if not greater than at least 3 of the attorneys combined at your firm. & probably at least 40% of the people you know or are related to you that struggle to get to disney or jamaica once every five years would trade lifestyles with me in a second.I turn my conscious off at my office until 5pm. Then I hit the links,the gym,hit the boat, dinner if i choose w a bottle of opus one (thats wine btw Creole google it)& I enjoy having the finacial freedom to do whatevr i want ;.}

      February 22, 2012 at 3:33 am | Reply
  66. Teh Bobb

    yeah, this sounds kindof bogus. I think the push of technology is annoying unless it actually provides new (feasible) uses. Its updates for the sake of updates, not updates for the sake of improvements.

    February 1, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Reply
    • Jayceegee

      I agree. As I have always said, "Just because you CAN, does't always mean you SHOULD."

      February 4, 2012 at 11:29 am | Reply
      • Donovan

        Exactly

        February 5, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
  67. Jase Cloud

    Yeah right, like companies are going to give control over to their users for everything. As amazing as the idea would be, it will never happen because giving up control is tantamount to heresy. Imagine if you were driving a car, and people would vote on where you were going to eat lunch, or what jobs you interview for. You would never let that happen. Why would the NFL let the fans choose plays? It's a great idea, but not realistic.

    February 1, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Reply
  68. Sam

    Amen brother. Never going to happen. People don't want to work at watching tv. This YouTube dude wants an interactive game channel.

    February 2, 2012 at 7:07 am | Reply
  69. Vladimir Van Von Hoeklinburgstien

    I use to want comment inspired television programming like this fool, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

    February 4, 2012 at 1:42 am | Reply

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